tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7321349.post151778921006041954..comments2024-03-18T22:21:33.261-07:00Comments on The Debate Link: SOTU Live BlogDavid Schraubhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04946653376744012423noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7321349.post-81560647762451166872010-01-29T00:22:15.894-08:002010-01-29T00:22:15.894-08:00You set up an interesting tension there, David, be...You set up an interesting tension there, David, because debate judges at least supposedly grading very differently than your average citizen. Not many people at home cared if Reagan's flow was sloppy or Lloyd Bentsen made a new argument at the end ;)<br /><br />But the really fun thibng about debate judging is how it also divorces itself from actual knowledge. It's this twilight zone of form between reason and gut instinct.joenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7321349.post-41863283698747238042010-01-28T13:15:28.696-08:002010-01-28T13:15:28.696-08:00David,
That's fine. I was not challenging you...David,<br /><br />That's fine. I was not challenging you. I just was curious about your reasoning.<br /><br />For what it is worth, I thought Obama did himself some good. His problem, though, is that absent a change in the economic situation (i.e. jobs), a saint would have low poll ratings. And, on top of that, he managed to convinced a large swath of the public that his political agenda is more important than people's jobs. I think his speech suggests that he understands that point.<br /><br />I am not sure that I agree with how you think people understand a speech. I think there is the immediate but then there is the next to the water fountain interpretation at work the next day and there is also how the speech eventually sinks in which depends, at least in part, on what is really in the speech.N. Friedmannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7321349.post-88065364504975127302010-01-28T13:05:04.565-08:002010-01-28T13:05:04.565-08:00Sorry, slightly off topic, but I thought you'd...Sorry, slightly off topic, but I thought you'd want to be informed.<br /><br />Seismic Shock the Video is out.<br /><br />http://modernityblog.wordpress.com/2010/01/28/seismic-shock-the-video/<br /><br />Please do embed it and pass it on<br />Cheers :)<br /><br />PS: I didn't think it was too bad the speech, the bits I heard.<br /><br />I'm getting the impression that his rhetoric is cooling, it lacks the bite of the pre-election campaign, but it's miles better than anything the Republicans have come out with, but it is not, as far as I can see, up to his usual standard.<br /><br />I liked the bit about the banks, very canny move.ModernityBloghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06354254639321208955noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7321349.post-29293262626887666652010-01-28T12:56:57.523-08:002010-01-28T12:56:57.523-08:00I think that virtually all of the SOTU's value...I think that virtually all of the SOTU's value is based on how it instinctively feels to persons listening to it. Few citizens go out and "digest" it (and I don't think the speech is designed to do so). So I think it makes more sense to try and give out an instinctive grade, then to pretend like this is some sort of academic essay I'm grading based on pure substantive content. It's a rhetorical exercise.<br /><br />Plus, as a debate judge, I'm used to grading speeches essentially as they happen, so this isn't new for me.David Schraubhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04946653376744012423noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7321349.post-43798074709551965732010-01-28T08:23:30.281-08:002010-01-28T08:23:30.281-08:00Come on, we can't watch an Obama speech anyone...Come on, we can't watch an Obama speech anyone time. He is liberalism's messiah, after all. As Rush has so keenly observed ;)<br /><br />(Obligatory internet disclaimer: "In case you have not noticed, I am being sarcastic.")joenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7321349.post-43461355951285621392010-01-28T07:13:30.347-08:002010-01-28T07:13:30.347-08:00David,
You write: 9:12: "America must always...David,<br /><br />You write: 9:12: <i>"America must always stand on the side of human freedom and dignity. Always." Always.</i><br /><br />Yet, that is exactly what Obama has not done. And, that does not only relate to Iran. And, I should add, it does not even relate to what Obama, at least when he came into office, seemed to want to go. Remember Chas. Freeman and his seeming support for the crackdown in Tiananmen Square. He fit in perfect with how Obama has behaved.<br /><br />When I heard Obama say that, it occurred to me that Obama will say anything.<br /><br />The rest of his speech was pretty good, as speeches go. <br /><br />I have two questions for you. <br /><br />1. While one can blog one's impressions while a long speech is occurring, I do not see how one can digest and thus grade a long speech without time to digest it. Hence, my question is, what is the real point of blogging live on a speech?<br /><br />2. Does not blogging live impact, by distraction, on how you will later understand the speech?N. Friedmannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7321349.post-59082193898760144552010-01-27T19:52:58.988-08:002010-01-27T19:52:58.988-08:00I listened to seconds of the Republican reply. At ...I listened to seconds of the Republican reply. At first I wasn't going to but then I thought maybe it'll be better than the venal attacks on the Governor that the Republican reply to Governor Nixon's state of the state consisted of. Nah. It wasn't. When Republicans want to scare the public about health care reform they say that the Democrats are planning to take over a huge portion of the GDP of the country. Yet tonight McDonnell says that the Republicans would fix everything with a short simple bill. The two claims don't mesh. In addition they tossed out the canard about how tort reform would contribute hugely to cutting costs. Yet another lie I'm really tired of hearing. It's worth doing but quit claiming that it would make some huge difference in this country's health care costs. It's just not true.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11946521745147557709noreply@blogger.com