tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7321349.post2215764751661810926..comments2024-03-18T22:21:33.261-07:00Comments on The Debate Link: Still Seeing Red?David Schraubhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04946653376744012423noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7321349.post-38762851013343691312009-03-23T11:17:00.000-07:002009-03-23T11:17:00.000-07:00I think it was supposed to be "have a clause banni...I think it was supposed to be "have a clause banning". But you never know with those Dutch folk....David Schraubhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04946653376744012423noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7321349.post-171509359568034032009-03-23T10:22:00.000-07:002009-03-23T10:22:00.000-07:00"the deletion of a Dutch proposal to have discrimi...<I>"the deletion of a Dutch proposal to have discrimination on basis of sexual orientation...</I><BR/><BR/>Should the word "have" in that sentence be "ban"?Barry Deutschhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08796981762797604817noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7321349.post-62618334794067473962009-03-18T15:14:00.000-07:002009-03-18T15:14:00.000-07:00Right, but what I am trying to articulate is that ...Right, but what I am trying to articulate is that "don't execute people for being gay" is a baseline position that even the U.S. should be able to support. Sodomy was criminal in several states until Lawrence (2003), but we haven't <I>executed</I> people for sodomy since the Civil War. Baby steps, is what I'm saying.PGhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09381347581328622706noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7321349.post-46487173225390231702009-03-18T14:03:00.000-07:002009-03-18T14:03:00.000-07:00Which is precisely my point -- even the US won't m...Which is precisely my point -- even the US won't make any meaningful stand on gay rights (the Dutch proposal prohibiting discrimination is way beyond even domestic US law right now). It is a truism that the most marginalized are going to be those least able to exert pressure on policymakers -- that's true on national and international levels.David Schraubhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04946653376744012423noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7321349.post-64537176413199210462009-03-18T14:01:00.000-07:002009-03-18T14:01:00.000-07:00Decriminalization is a stronger measure than what ...Decriminalization is a stronger measure than what I suggested, which would just be forbidding the death penalty. After all, the U.S. only decriminalized sodomy because of Activist Judges.PGhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09381347581328622706noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7321349.post-49598522690507182082009-03-18T11:12:00.000-07:002009-03-18T11:12:00.000-07:00At UN events, the NAM bloc is significantly more p...At UN events, the NAM bloc is significantly more powerful than the United States. And at least under the previous administration, even relatively moderate measures in favor of gay rights <A HREF="http://dsadevil.blogspot.com/2008/12/vatican-deserves-apology.html" REL="nofollow">didn't enjoy American support</A>.David Schraubhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04946653376744012423noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7321349.post-10686873183633373772009-03-18T10:44:00.000-07:002009-03-18T10:44:00.000-07:00unfortunately, the areas of discrimination which a...<I>unfortunately, the areas of discrimination which are most pressing are also least likely to be addressed because they are supported by empowered nations.</I><BR/><BR/>Which nations do you consider the empowered ones? I would think even countries like the United States that don't ban discrimination against homosexuals might be able to get behind a prohibition on the death penalty for homosexuality. That's fairly pressing for folks in Pakistan, UAE, Yemen, Saudi Arabia, Iran...PGhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09381347581328622706noreply@blogger.com