tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7321349.post4691287114476883101..comments2024-04-06T10:33:46.990-07:00Comments on The Debate Link: DADT PushersDavid Schraubhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04946653376744012423noreply@blogger.comBlogger3125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7321349.post-76923293916452558582010-02-05T16:33:32.812-08:002010-02-05T16:33:32.812-08:00I'm not sure why you're picking this fight...I'm not sure why you're picking this fight, Peter. Are you actually arguing that the persons who would refuse to serve if it meant standing next to gay and lesbian soldiers are better exemplars of the American military than the people (not just gays) who have served freely and willingly even when their country hasn't viewed them or treated them as equal? I don't think that you believe that, so this is a protest without an underlying harm.<br /><br />In any event, the military is under civilian control, and the debate the civilian government is, in part, whether we prefer gay servicemembers who choice to serve even for a country that often despises them, or (presumably) straight servicemembers whose loyalty to their ranks is so thin that they'd abandon it if it meant sitting next to teh gay (as Perkins threatened). Hence, it is perfectly appropriate for civilians to issue opinions as to that controversy (there is no analogous reason why the social meaning of Judaism should be in the hands of non-Jews -- unlike the relationship between the military and civilians, Jews are not in a position of service and control vis-a-vis gentiles).David Schraubhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04946653376744012423noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7321349.post-26123011923603739492010-02-05T15:30:10.037-08:002010-02-05T15:30:10.037-08:00David's right, of course, but John McCain is u...David's right, of course, but John McCain is ultimately playing the same game as most of his peers do. He just does it b etter by cornering the brand on "maverick." (Though that's actually less helpful than many believe, as the 2008 election results demonstrate.)<br /><br />Also...<br /><br /><i>annals of those who support the continued exclusion of gays from the military</i><br /><br />I want to say something juvenile here.joenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7321349.post-13885791283753524242010-02-05T12:26:21.221-08:002010-02-05T12:26:21.221-08:00I know who best represents our military traditions...<i>I know who best represents our military traditions.</i><br /><br />And what exactly gives you the right to determine who or what best represents those traditions? You've reacted with significant rancor in the past against those who aren't Jewish and yet would seek to define what your community should and shouldn't represent. Why, then, is it okay if you do it? Are we having a "some of my best friends are veterans" moment? This is a pretty strong brand of hypocrisy, if you ask me.Peter Orlowicznoreply@blogger.com