tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7321349.post4946265685614333667..comments2024-03-18T22:21:33.261-07:00Comments on The Debate Link: Things People Blame the Jews for, Volume VII: JewsDavid Schraubhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04946653376744012423noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7321349.post-62620184059071259392013-11-24T12:01:09.615-08:002013-11-24T12:01:09.615-08:00Sure, but there seems to be a lot more skepticism ...Sure, but there seems to be a lot more skepticism directed at whether someone is the right kind of convert than at whether someone is properly descended. If you can trace matrilineal descent from the "right" Orthodox rabbi by pointing to gravestones and last names, no one asks for DNA testing, but whether you were converted by the right kind of rabbi -- in particular, the requirement that all conversions in Israel must be Orthodox and under the auspices of the Chief Rabbinate -- seems to involve more scrutiny.PGhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09381347581328622706noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7321349.post-68380681137561885752013-11-23T17:43:54.495-08:002013-11-23T17:43:54.495-08:00I think the issue there has historically been that...I think the issue there has historically been that Orthodox Rabbis don't recognize conversions from other streams (which also includes them being skeptical of other Orthodox Jews being sufficiently Orthodox). Presumably if the questioning Rabbi himself supervised the conversion, he wouldn't have any objections.David Schraubhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04946653376744012423noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7321349.post-15314974900843541102013-11-23T17:41:15.532-08:002013-11-23T17:41:15.532-08:00"Descent can make one a member of the tribe, ..."Descent can make one a member of the tribe, but it doesn't make one any more of a member than a convert."<br /><br />I agree with this but I'm not sure if it's accurate to say it's "not something Jews have ever believed." <br />http://www.nytimes.com/1989/07/25/world/israeli-court-grants-all-converts-full-rights.html<br />http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/02/magazine/02jewishness-t.html?pagewanted=allPGhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09381347581328622706noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7321349.post-58402213120669442372013-11-18T17:49:37.944-08:002013-11-18T17:49:37.944-08:00This post (and your blog in general) articulate so...This post (and your blog in general) articulate so well the problems that I have with so much anti-Zionist theory but struggle to put into words. The treatment of Jewish nationalism as somehow shockingly unheard-of and exceptional is something that has bothered me for a long time. It paints a picture of Jews as set apart from the rest of humanity and often as uniquely terrible.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7321349.post-48196419379209484622013-11-17T14:40:16.133-08:002013-11-17T14:40:16.133-08:00Thank you for articulating this refutation so effe...Thank you for articulating this refutation so effectively.<br />Also, thank you for broadening the discussion to reject the form of this argument that is deployed against Palestinians.Benjamin Lewishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04115050650579749235noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7321349.post-64769421527523985292013-11-16T16:17:08.124-08:002013-11-16T16:17:08.124-08:00Nice post, David!Nice post, David!Richard Jeffrey Newmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02816999977762428294noreply@blogger.com