tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7321349.post5207211270967429886..comments2024-03-18T22:21:33.261-07:00Comments on The Debate Link: The Antisemitic Quote That Wasn't in California's Ethnic Studies Model CurriculumDavid Schraubhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04946653376744012423noreply@blogger.comBlogger16125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7321349.post-18005635741635085462021-02-23T15:40:20.571-08:002021-02-23T15:40:20.571-08:00The fact that Linda Sarsour and other problematic ...The fact that Linda Sarsour and other problematic people are included as praised important figures, but Martin Luther King (!), John Lewis and most civil rights leaders are erased, should be troubling to everyone.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12234046610842075356noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7321349.post-91548761415798961972021-02-15T00:02:40.670-08:002021-02-15T00:02:40.670-08:00... yes? It's nuanced and accurate? A Jew who ...... yes? It's nuanced and accurate? A Jew who looks like me most certainly is, in some contexts, sometimes treated as White?David Schraubhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04946653376744012423noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7321349.post-31451080265158424662021-02-14T23:31:00.874-08:002021-02-14T23:31:00.874-08:00"The revised curriculum not only does not ass..."The revised curriculum not only does not assume that "all Jews are white", it in fact explicitly says that some Jews are not white, whereas other Jews are sometimes conditionally white."<br /><br />And you think this is a *good* thing?!?Nachumhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11292162031685942549noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7321349.post-22243378392557636202021-02-07T23:55:18.583-08:002021-02-07T23:55:18.583-08:00This comment has been removed by the author.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01980895966348878098noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7321349.post-74704819228615498832021-02-05T16:40:02.391-08:002021-02-05T16:40:02.391-08:00You ignored the balance of my comment, i.e. the cu...You ignored the balance of my comment, i.e. the curriculum DOES (wrongly) assume that ALL Arabs are "people of color." The curriculum actually does NOT say "some Jews are not white." There is only a brief sentence at the end of the lesson on Jewish Americans which mentions "Jews of Color." In addition, saying that Jews "experience conditional whiteness and privilege" is a confusing statement.<br /><br />In any case, by grouping all Arabs as "people of color" there is tacit approval the "critical ethnic studies" pedagogy in the curriculum. In fact, the curriculum expressly adopts "critical ethnic studies," which is inappropriate because that model views everything through a white/non white and power/not power lens. Thus for example the lesson on "redlining" seems to indicate that this practice was exclusively directed to POC. Which is incorrect and a sad missed opportunity to illustrate a shared (painful) experience among different groups.<br /><br />Finally, if Linda Sarsour is deemed "an important historical figure" and she promotes BDS, students are given an important (though indirect) "lesson" about BDS. Not to mention the FAILURE to include MLK and John Lewis as "important." Give me a break: Linda Sarsour but not John Lewis as an "important person of color?"Rousso & Jackelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16407574020139512511noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7321349.post-47105805061012809092021-02-04T20:23:57.058-08:002021-02-04T20:23:57.058-08:00The revised curriculum not only does not assume th...The revised curriculum not only does not assume that "all Jews are white", it in fact explicitly says that some Jews are not white, whereas other Jews are sometimes conditionally white.David Schraubhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04946653376744012423noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7321349.post-51878244883583315192021-02-04T18:16:25.079-08:002021-02-04T18:16:25.079-08:00The revised curriculum still assumes that Jews are...The revised curriculum still assumes that Jews are "white" or, at best "conditionally so," whatever that means. The revised curriculum assumes without question (based on the sample lessons) that:<br />1. All Jews are white;<br />2. All Arabs are people of color.<br /><br />Neither statement is totally true. The true/correct statement is: Some Jews are white; some Jews are not white; Some Arabs are white; some Arabs are not white.<br /><br />Certain Arab groups want to be slotted in the "traditional" four "core" groups (African American/Asian/Indigenous/LatinX as "Asian." This is also incomplete; not all Arabs are "Asian" and some Jews are "Asian" as well as North African.<br /><br />Finally, in the African American section, there is a lesson plan which lists "notable POC from history." NO JEWS on the list (because again, Jews are "white"). Moreover, Linda Sarsour (notable BDS proponent and Jew-hater IS on the list. Who else is not on the list? MLK. John Lewis. <br /><br />This indicates a "revised" curriculum that is heavily in the "critical ethnic studies" model, which is unnecessarily binary and divides all groups into White/Black, Power/not power. It is based on conflict and struggle. It is not cooperative. It ignores other ways of teaching ethnic studies that constructive.Rousso & Jackelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16407574020139512511noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7321349.post-2570698360124398522021-02-03T11:29:19.965-08:002021-02-03T11:29:19.965-08:00"Jewish struggle shouldn't be erased, but..."Jewish struggle shouldn't be erased, but it does need to be placed in context and compared to what groups that experience no privilege at all experience."<br /><br />And what about the struggle of Jews who are POC and thus are nowhere near whiteness, conditional or otherwise? Or about Jewish POC struggles/experiences of racism in white Jewish spaces? Because apparently white Jews aren't white, but they treat Jewish POC as inauthentic, suspicious, or figures of wonder because they...aren't white.meepahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13636587172106848097noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7321349.post-39939887390688155412021-02-01T13:25:08.104-08:002021-02-01T13:25:08.104-08:00Andrea, pretty clearly what you've experienced...Andrea, pretty clearly what you've experienced there is a mask-off moment for people who don't mind making fun of people who are in their view some alien "other" that doesn't count quite as much as the WASPy folks in the room. It's ugly and it should make you uncomfortable.<br /><br />But for actual POC in this country, a country where indigenous people have the shortest life spans, where brown skinned immigrants are separated forcibly from their caged children, where young black girls are slammed to the ground or shot by cops or pepper sprayed in the face when they're in crisis, placing your "conditional privilege" next to the very real lack of privilege these folks experience is always going to at best feel like erasure to them. <br /><br />Jewish struggle shouldn't be erased, but it does need to be placed in context and compared to what groups that experience no privilege at all experience.Nebbiolohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16566657354119881457noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7321349.post-56856855492743294702021-02-01T12:24:31.112-08:002021-02-01T12:24:31.112-08:00No it is not. Have you ever been in a situation wh...No it is not. Have you ever been in a situation when a group of white ppl start telling an offensive jewish/black joke during a meal, assuming nobody else was jewish or black on the table? Once you call it out you are no longer one of them. And someone who knows you are jewish kicks you under the table to stay quiet? It was unexpected. But I assure you if I wasn't white I wouldn't have been invited into the room. Now you tell me how stupid my experience was.Andreahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12991266834583982254noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7321349.post-21272501635551207442021-02-01T11:33:00.831-08:002021-02-01T11:33:00.831-08:00The question that I have for Prof. Schraub is, wha...The question that I have for Prof. Schraub is, what's more important to you, Judaism or progressive politics?autothreadshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12922732992155191413noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7321349.post-44840247631861885022021-01-30T14:22:14.699-08:002021-01-30T14:22:14.699-08:00You do not have to dig deep into the weeds to find...You do not have to dig deep into the weeds to find the problems with this sample curriculum. I’ve read it several times, it’s problematic. You invalidating this one point does not negate other very valid points, and your hyper-focus on it while ignoring everything else is telling. This curriculum dissects Jewish identity in order to fit us into the racial hierarchy of oppression, a model in which we do not neatly fit. It continuously contradicts itself. It emphasizes that Jews are “white” and privileged (not all Jews of course, just 80%) while failing to explain that that is an antisemitic trope! How are these kids going to know how to fight antisemitism if they don’t even know what it looks like? Not to mention that it squarely places antisemitic hatred on white supremacists, attempting to absolve the left of their own perpetuation of antisemitism. Students will get to college and be harassed for any connection to Israel and be told it’s not antisemitic. You know, like they do at Berkeley. This is playing politics with Jewish lives. As if antisemitism isn’t already a huge problem. This will have dire consequences. hilalovehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12544949360741194244noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7321349.post-24834300884308126552021-01-30T08:27:29.574-08:002021-01-30T08:27:29.574-08:00The fact that the esmc curriculum had two previous...The fact that the esmc curriculum had two previous versions that were so anti-jewish that they had to be re-written is the outrage. So, not only one version, but two! Why in 2020 do jews even need to intervene in public school material because it is anti-jewish? That is unconsciounable and in and of itself must bea story. And the part in the tablet mag story abt math, if true, is also an outrage, but in thispost not mentioned. While it's possible that benedek had an agenda and embellished certain aspects, the problem is still there: the jewish community had to intervene two times before the curriculum could be acceptable and not antisemitic.bombihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04136892701874984425noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7321349.post-43517851086477954302021-01-30T06:20:49.121-08:002021-01-30T06:20:49.121-08:00Conditional whiteness is a stupid concept.Conditional whiteness is a stupid concept.Fredhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16170252363338414136noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7321349.post-64489977242840713792021-01-29T12:42:35.453-08:002021-01-29T12:42:35.453-08:00The better analogy is if I said "you should r...The better analogy is if I said "you should read today's Paul Krugman's essay" and handed you a copy of today's New York Times, and you opened the paper up and read an entirely different article, would you be lying if you then said I "told you to read" that other article? And the answer is yes, you would be.David Schraubhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04946653376744012423noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7321349.post-7171957255173940802021-01-29T12:35:36.608-08:002021-01-29T12:35:36.608-08:00" ...that happened to be printed in the same ..." ...that happened to be printed in the same volume as "Deserts of Fact and Fancy" -- albeit 30 pages away. "<br /><br />"If it wasn't so unethical..."<br /><br />"Who cares!"<br /><br /><br />If someone quoted Breitbart, or the Daily Stormer, I don't think you would say "No problem! The bad stuff wasn't even on the that page!" Or better yet "someone has to click on the comments to see the repulsive stuff! Who cares!"<br /><br /><br />If we set a rule that we'd shun leaders, sources and social justice prophets associated with anti-semitism or anti-semitic comments as sources to use for progressive causes, and we'd block out their vocal acolytes as contributors to progressive causes, would there be anything left? Serious question. Would any progressive cause pass the test?DLhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04081732238669784635noreply@blogger.com