tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7321349.post110306322204205837..comments2024-03-18T22:21:33.261-07:00Comments on The Debate Link: Are Jews a "Race"?David Schraubhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04946653376744012423noreply@blogger.comBlogger53125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7321349.post-72925047125536255572012-04-25T20:35:15.173-07:002012-04-25T20:35:15.173-07:00Racially ,the dominant portion of the Jews of yest...Racially ,the dominant portion of the Jews of yesterday and today are of the Caucasians. Meaning White, they are geographically and physically in between the Europeans and the Arabs in the classification of what constitutes the sub-races of Caucasian.<br /><br />The Jews haven't mixed as much as the Arabs did nor there are as many .bvffffdffhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07765204514063779651noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7321349.post-81255457751692530752012-01-02T16:16:32.831-08:002012-01-02T16:16:32.831-08:00I am white and I am Jewish. The author of this art...I am white and I am Jewish. The author of this article is either very uneducated, despite his degrees or he is racist. You imply that because I am white that I cannot be Jewish, since my DNA doesn't fit a certain Haplotype. Shame on you. From getting married under the Chuppah, my Bar Mitzvah to sending my girls to Jewish schools so they can learn Hebrew and Judaic studies, I repudiate your twisted comments.Channardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16033837807425836237noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7321349.post-19456853872148216182011-04-16T00:29:41.063-07:002011-04-16T00:29:41.063-07:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7321349.post-63643568130170223172011-03-29T06:33:11.226-07:002011-03-29T06:33:11.226-07:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11025660366934706275noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7321349.post-20647176525716985742011-03-10T12:35:02.692-08:002011-03-10T12:35:02.692-08:00Well, I think it's both a religion and a race....Well, I think it's both a religion and a race. There is a lot of scripture backing it up. I'm no Rabbi (actually I'm only thirteen), but doesn't it say that God told Abraham his descendants would be a nation?<br /><br />Don't act like there is only one meaning to the name "Jew." Have you people ever heard of homophones? Words that are the same that have different meanings. I believe this is one of them.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7321349.post-75594050386166717592011-02-03T18:50:41.948-08:002011-02-03T18:50:41.948-08:00Race is not merely a social construct. There is a...Race is not merely a social construct. There is a genetic basis behind race & ethnicity that is more than skin deep. This can be seen in the fact that some medical disorders affect one ethnicity more than others.<br /><br />The more we learn about genetics & evolution, the more race as a social construct is falling flat. It was well intentioned but simply isn't true.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12067841724229564496noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7321349.post-50150953814400446692011-01-06T07:18:01.656-08:002011-01-06T07:18:01.656-08:00No they are not a seperate race The reason they ha...No they are not a seperate race The reason they have certain distinctive features such as a big nose is due to them not marrying outside their religion so they tend to marry into members of their own clans or tribes. The nose and in one genetic trait that seems to be inherited the most in all people. Like baldness is a genetic trait. There are only a few that have been considered to be distinctive races- Indians, Negroid, Asian, Caucasian, Germatic but we are all really 1 race that being the human race. .Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7321349.post-77042848376110526302010-06-27T03:36:31.364-07:002010-06-27T03:36:31.364-07:0012. “I should note that often non-White Jews still...12. “I should note that often non-White Jews still are assumed to be White simply by virtue of their Jewishness or vice versa -- non-White Jews as presumed to be non-Jewish by virtue of their non-Whiteness.”<br /><br />Who assumes Jewishness makes a difference as to whether one is viewed as white or non-white? As you have noted by prefixing “non-White” they are already perceived as non-white, even by you. <br /><br />13. “This is another demonstration of how the refusal to deal with Jews on their own terms tends to suppress diverse and heterogeneous Jewish experience.”<br /><br />It is a demonstration of assumptions of whiteness and non-whiteness, nothing more. <br /><br />14. The fluidity and plasticity of race as a concept and category means that we should not expect to be able to lock in how Jews fit in with the concept of race across all different times, spaces, and contexts. <br /><br />So basically Jewishness pertaining to RACE is as fluid and plastic as the concept or RACE itself, but the religious precepts are fixed across all different times, spaces, and contexts. In other words unless one practices Judaism, one’s Jewishness is just a fluid, plastic concept. Which of course is anti-Semitism.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7321349.post-18168209240892304412010-06-27T03:34:59.167-07:002010-06-27T03:34:59.167-07:006. “In many cases (understandably, considering the...6. “In many cases (understandably, considering the history of oppression foisted upon them!), Jews have chosen equality, and thus have suppressed the ethnic, historical, and cultural differences they have with the Christian community.” <br /><br />One again Christians are not an “ethnic” community. What I’m interested to know is a) what is the difference between “ethnic” and “racial”? b) How is the “ethnic difference” suppressed? I’m not taking about “historical and cultural differences” because those belong in another essay called “Are Jews a history and a culture?” not “Are Jews a Race?” <br /><br />7. “(I realize the above is rather inflammatory AND incomplete--not a happy combination. Unfortunately, the justification for is rather in depth and still a work in process (see below). So I'd ask patience as I try to formulate these thoughts into a broader, more coherent whole that I hope will be provocative without being offensive).”<br /><br />The trouble is the justification for the incompleteness of is always “still a work in progress” having provided zero engagement with the question, which was “Are Jews a Race?”<br /><br />8. “I actually have ALOT to say on this issue, and I'm in the process of writing a large paper on how the Christian construction of Jewish identity contributes to anti-Semitic oppression in general and anti-Israel policies in particular.”<br /><br />See, I think everything you have to say, or needs be said, is encapsulated in this one sentence and I wouldn’t bother with the “large paper”.<br /><br />9. “I should say that categorizing Jews as a "race" only makes sense if one rejects the idea of "race" as referring to something biologically determinate (which I do).” <br /><br />Okay, I’m with you here 100%, although I would rephrase it “Race is an concept relating to populations, it is not a biological determinate, as 85% of genetic variation occurs within human populations (e.g. Africans/Europeans) not between them. Therefore RACE is a social construct based on arbitrary externals i.e. skin colour rather than height and eye colour. I would also add, “Judaism and Christianity are religions, a “Jewish race” and a “Christian race” have no biological basis.<br /><br />10. “Race is a social construction, and, in many of the ways Jews have been constructed, we've been constructed as racially other.”<br /><br />Hmm, I not sure in whose interests it is in to do the constructing. But when it is posited that Jews themselves have been doing the constructing (especially the non-practicing ones, void or religion), this of course is conveniently greeted with howls of “anti-Semitism”. <br /><br />11. “Insofar as to many, labelling Jews as "White" is a way of negating their historical differentiation from the dominant White castes, I am leery of chucking out the idea of race with regards to Jews so quickly.”<br /><br />So “the idea of race with regards to Jews” you want to cling to after all? Even though you said earlier that race is a social construct and also “Christian construction of Jewish identity contributes to anti-Semitic oppression”?<br /><br />I’m guessing that you are a “non-practicing Jew”, which is where the identity crisis originates. Religion is not “biologically determinate”, although someone who is non-practicing would need to maintain that it is, via some divine, miraculous means, pertaining to the religion, which they do not practice. Observation of this contradiction is of course virulent “anti-Semitism”.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7321349.post-55056570860479408712010-06-27T03:30:49.451-07:002010-06-27T03:30:49.451-07:001. “Speaking as a Jew, I am inclined to agree with...1. “Speaking as a Jew, I am inclined to agree with Volokh. Jews are ethnically and culturally distinct from mainstream White and Christian America. Certainly, Jews are often mistaken for Whites or Christians, and often actively try and assimilate into White-Christian society.”<br /><br />Culture has nothing to do with RACE. They are separate issues. If Jews are assimilating then they are not “culturally distinct”, anymore than the white Christians have to assimilate with the mainstream along with everybody else.<br /><br />*note “Ethnically” is another word substituted for “Racially” which is the subject in question. The fact that some people possess inherited genes rendering them taller or shorter does not constitute RACIAL or ETHNIC difference. Therefore, racial and ethnic differences are a arbitrary concepts based on arbitrary delineations.<br /><br />2. “Certainly, Jews are often mistaken for Whites or Christians”. <br /><br />Oh really? Are Ethiopian Jews mistaken as white? All you are saying is that white people who are Jews are mistaken, as white people, point being neither Christians nor Jews are exclusively white. The word “Mainstream” is just a foil for the fact you have said nothing. “White-Christian society” is another misnomer, because nobody claims “Christian society” exhibits any colour, apart from racists. <br /><br />3. “But I think that is more of a function of historical anti-Semitism on the part of the Christian community, Jews hope to dodge anti-Semitism by "passing" as White Christians.<br /><br />Firstly, the Christian community’s Holy book, the bible, includes the “Old Testament”, based on the Jewish bible. <br /><br />Secendly, “Semitic” refers to a family of languages (not RACES) which include ancient and modern forms of Akkadian, Amharic, Arabic, Aramaic, Ge'ez, Hebrew, Maltese, Phoenician, Tigre and Tigrinya among others. The term Semite means a member of any of various ancient and modern Semitic-speaking peoples (populations not RACES) originating in south-western Asia, including Akkadians, Canaanites, Phoenicians, Hebrews, Arabs, and Ethiopian Semites.<br /><br />4. “Jews hope to dodge anti-Semitism by "passing" as White Christians.” <br /><br />What you mean is, Jews hope to dodge anti-Semitism by "passing" as Christians i.e. religious practitioners hope to pass as other religious practitioners because of religious intolerance/discrimination. You still haven’t explained how Jews are “ethnically distinct”, anymore than 6 billion people on the planet are ethnically distinct.<br /><br />5. “Christians simply refuse to see Jews as both unique AND equal, so Jews have been forced to choose one or the other.”<br /><br />Apart from the fact that this is complete generalisation, all you are saying is that practitioners of a religion refuse to see practitioners of another religion as “both unique AND equal”. How is “refuse to see” unique to Christians and not Jews?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7321349.post-45932682083011686952010-06-27T03:28:09.983-07:002010-06-27T03:28:09.983-07:001. “Speaking as a Jew, I am inclined to agree with...1. “Speaking as a Jew, I am inclined to agree with Volokh. Jews are ethnically and culturally distinct from mainstream White and Christian America. Certainly, Jews are often mistaken for Whites or Christians, and often actively try and assimilate into White-Christian society.”<br /><br />Culture has nothing to do with RACE. They are separate issues. If Jews are assimilating then they are not “culturally distinct”, anymore than the white Christians have to assimilate with the mainstream along with everybody else.<br /><br />*note “Ethnically” is another word substituted for “Racially” which is the subject in question. The fact that some people possess inherited genes rendering them taller or shorter does not constitute RACIAL or ETHNIC difference. Therefore, racial and ethnic differences are a arbitrary concepts based on arbitrary delineations.<br /><br />2. “Certainly, Jews are often mistaken for Whites or Christians”. <br /><br />Oh really? Are Ethiopian Jews mistaken as white? All you are saying is that white people who are Jews are mistaken, as white people, point being neither Christians nor Jews are exclusively white. The word “Mainstream” is just a foil for the fact you have said nothing. “White-Christian society” is another misnomer, because nobody claims “Christian society” exhibits any colour, apart from racists. <br /><br />3. “But I think that is more of a function of historical anti-Semitism on the part of the Christian community, Jews hope to dodge anti-Semitism by "passing" as White Christians.<br /><br />Firstly, the Christian community’s Holy book, the bible, includes the “Old Testament”, based on the Jewish bible. <br /><br />Secendly, “Semitic” refers to a family of languages (not RACES) which include ancient and modern forms of Akkadian, Amharic, Arabic, Aramaic, Ge'ez, Hebrew, Maltese, Phoenician, Tigre and Tigrinya among others. The term Semite means a member of any of various ancient and modern Semitic-speaking peoples (populations not RACES) originating in south-western Asia, including Akkadians, Canaanites, Phoenicians, Hebrews, Arabs, and Ethiopian Semites.<br /><br />4. “Jews hope to dodge anti-Semitism by "passing" as White Christians.” <br /><br />What you mean is, Jews hope to dodge anti-Semitism by "passing" as Christians i.e. religious practitioners hope to pass as other religious practitioners because of religious intolerance/discrimination. You still haven’t explained how Jews are “ethnically distinct”, anymore than 6 billion people on the planet are ethnically distinct.<br /><br />5. “Christians simply refuse to see Jews as both unique AND equal, so Jews have been forced to choose one or the other.”<br /><br />Apart from the fact that this is complete generalisation, all you are saying is that practitioners of a religion refuse to see practitioners of another religion as “both unique AND equal”. How is “refuse to see” unique to Christians and not Jews?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7321349.post-34319639979920330772009-11-29T18:07:46.083-08:002009-11-29T18:07:46.083-08:00A race means genetic category based on bone struct...A race means genetic category based on bone structure and pigmentation. Jews are Caucasoids as are Arabs and Europeans.<br /><br />Jews descend largely from Northern Near Eastern Caucasoid (Arabs are more southern) and have mixed with Europeans to an extent. But only in intervals, then they marry each other again.<br /><br />Jews are a dual ethnic group - Ashkenazi and Sephardic - but biologically, Jews are not a race. Jews are Caucasoids.Metal Gearhttp://www.freemediaproductions.infonoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7321349.post-90948814086512739292009-10-29T06:48:32.058-07:002009-10-29T06:48:32.058-07:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7321349.post-30767102796012753452009-09-25T17:51:28.460-07:002009-09-25T17:51:28.460-07:00Sorry but this all seems a bit retarded. From wha...Sorry but this all seems a bit retarded. From what I've read some people think that Jewish people are genetically different from the rest of the world?! I could convert to Judaism if I wanted to couldn't I? That would make me Jewish despite me being extremely white. My opinion is that some idiot has given the same name to an ethnicity as a religion. If you we're to refer to a 'Jewish' person along with their religion, you would end up saying a Jewish Jew (according to some people). A Semite is the ETHNICITY I think we're looking for, where there are certain genetic markers and differences. We all have an ethnicity and most of us believe in something. Judaism is a religion and not an ethnicity. If you're going to argue that I can't be Jewish if I want, then you've got some hate/ignorance in you buddy. If you want to say I can't be Semitic then that's fine because it's true. Also as a bit of a footnote I believe the ideas of race are seriously flawed and anyone who tries to assign people a race these days will become a racist. pretty much. peaceAndrew 19yonoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7321349.post-73928620571869343552009-09-16T13:14:02.095-07:002009-09-16T13:14:02.095-07:00Any Jew who says he is of the Jewish 'race'...Any Jew who says he is of the Jewish 'race' is a brainwashed zionist buffoon. These people are all from LA or NYC and dont even practice Judaism. They're ARABS.<br /><br />There is NO race called JEW. Semitic is a term used to describe ARABS not Jews. Again. I'll repeat. Any Jew saying he is a 'race' is a zionist buffon.<br /><br />EVERY SINLGE JEWISH RABBI HAS STATED THE JEWS WERE NEVER A RACE OF PEOPLE.<br /><br />So who are you going to believe? The Rabbi's or some punk street rat jewish 17yr old from da bronx?<br /><br />Jews are ARABS.. they just hate to admit it.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14541925532887466029noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7321349.post-8504314019150758932009-09-16T13:06:46.546-07:002009-09-16T13:06:46.546-07:00OP: "Jews are ethnically and culturally disti...OP: "Jews are ethnically and culturally distinct from mainstream White and Christian America."<br /><br />Uhmm duh? Jews are Arabs who believe in Judaism. Simple as that. <br /><br />Of course they're "culturally distinct" from Europeans. Because they're Arabs. I dont understand what the confusion is about?<br /><br />Just because a Jew changed her name and dye her hair blond and gets 200k in plastic surgery so she can get a job as a TV journalist doest mean she is white.<br /><br />What a silly question. So yeah. Jews are Arabs who believe in Judaism. After WWII rich jews have intermarried with Christians but thats irrelevant when describing the traditional jewish people.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14541925532887466029noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7321349.post-41134936585567420562009-07-24T04:25:14.923-07:002009-07-24T04:25:14.923-07:00I'd rather be a paki than a yid.I'd rather be a paki than a yid.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7321349.post-44950936025476694202009-06-26T08:23:21.659-07:002009-06-26T08:23:21.659-07:00This is God speaking. Jews are a race because I sa...This is God speaking. Jews are a race because I said so.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7321349.post-43773312585896229052009-06-26T08:21:25.716-07:002009-06-26T08:21:25.716-07:00what?what?Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16794553784300139638noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7321349.post-28069083002795320092009-05-21T20:23:30.123-07:002009-05-21T20:23:30.123-07:00To,finish i think that last comment was the sounds...To,finish i think that last comment was the sounds of New World Order from a Zionist,who sounds just like Hitler.When millions of soldiers from the second world world war, Mainly British died for arsholes like that,If Israelis think that they can act like hitler they will have to think again,When the Jews where gassed by Nazi Germany in world war 2 it is a known fact that Zionist rockefeller family supplied money to the Nazi war machine indirectly killing these Jews,No to Zionist no to New world oder,and no to anyone acting like Hitler.Norman and Linda Kennedyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13578881587968466972noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7321349.post-61454044562901989312009-05-21T20:08:49.215-07:002009-05-21T20:08:49.215-07:00Hi,Julia,first of i want to say i respect all peop...Hi,Julia,first of i want to say i respect all people whatever race,Here is a Quote from a Zionist Jew,I do not agree,OUR race is the master race,We are Divine gods on this planet.We are as different from inferior races as they are from insects.In fact.compared to our race ,other races are beasts and animals,cattle at best,Other races are considered as human excrement,Our destiney is to rule over inferior races.Our earthly kingdom will be ruled by our leader with a rod of iron,the masses will lick our feet and serve us like slaves,Menecham Begin,I say no to that.Norman and Linda Kennedyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13578881587968466972noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7321349.post-44742804055130304412009-05-21T19:40:47.524-07:002009-05-21T19:40:47.524-07:00Personally i think the word Jewish or jew is of re...Personally i think the word Jewish or jew is of religeon not of race,I also find that some jewish people think they are better than none Jewish people i also think that Jewish people i-e Rothchild,and Rockerfeller families should be taken to court for mass murder,I also think they are to blame for American demise,i have come to the conclusion that these elite families may cause anti semite hatred and war against the Jewish communities throughout the world,the 2 named families above are the most vile and most corrupt and most hated Jewish families in the world far worse than Hitler,Norman and Linda Kennedyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13578881587968466972noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7321349.post-62739726952669784102009-05-07T12:23:00.000-07:002009-05-07T12:23:00.000-07:00who ever posted this is an idiot and a hypocrite, ...who ever posted this is an idiot and a hypocrite, its not antisemitism to hate jews cause according to you, jews are NOT semites..Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7321349.post-29741614242112575182009-04-20T00:24:00.000-07:002009-04-20T00:24:00.000-07:00"I myself am jewish and get teased by classmates f...<I>"I myself am jewish and get teased by classmates for it. I don't care about that, they are merely ignorant but I do hate that the common american belif is that jews are not a race. We are. How can jews have their own homeland? Own religion? own language? own phisical Features? And yet we aren't recognized as a race!"</I>You have a right to feel aggrieved, however your classmates are correct. Having a homeland does not mean you are a race. For starters, millions of Jews do not live in your homeland and do not even agree with the policies there. You have a language, which many Jews cannot speak. The fact that you have a religion is a nullpoint since this is what defines you. You do NOT have the same physical features. I can convert to Judaism anytime I like and I do not have the stereotypical big nose and dark curly hair. Jews have married into other cultures for many generations and stopped having a shared geneology centuries ago. You do not have an argument. Wishful thinking will never result in Jews becoming a race. Judaism is just a cult based around some backward myths that people feel allegiance towards for reasons of tradition. It is an insult to people who have suffered real racism, to claim racial persecution for believing in a certain religion. You have must lead an extremely sheltered life if you believe that all Jews look the same, and that maintaining belief in an invisible man is as strong a geneological feature as having black skin.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7321349.post-76080966763976245672009-04-20T00:14:00.000-07:002009-04-20T00:14:00.000-07:00Jews are not a race, even a child can notice this....Jews are not a race, even a child can notice this. Just because many Jews are decended from a common certain geneological heritage, does not mean that the Jewish group is a race. It is as absurd as claiming that Mormon Christians are a race since they are nearly all white caucasian Americans. <br /><br />For starters, Jews encompass a vast range of ethnicities. Jews hold a common belief system, not a common ethnicity. Jews do not have any kind of geographical isolation. I can think of no reason to label Jews a race, other than to give them a false and unquestionable status (something all religions desire). It is a belief system, and nothing more. <br /><br />Maybe it just takes an atheist to notice how farcically religious people can behave, and how weak their reasoning is. <br /><br />The definition of race is indeed quite ambiguous, but it cannot be stretched to include a religion, nor must we allow religions to claim defense under racism. The difficulty in criticising religion due to alleged "racism" is a massive barrier to social progression.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com