tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7321349.post111967160331640448..comments2024-03-18T22:21:33.261-07:00Comments on The Debate Link: The Benefit of ContextDavid Schraubhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04946653376744012423noreply@blogger.comBlogger4125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7321349.post-1119975061773186022005-06-28T09:11:00.000-07:002005-06-28T09:11:00.000-07:00"Certain Liberals" "Some Liberals" "Some Leftists"..."Certain Liberals" "Some Liberals" "Some Leftists"--basically anything that doesn't imply categoricalness (is that a word?). "Some leftists" is probably the most accurate--with the exception of Barbara Lee, not a single Democrat oppossed attacking Afghanistan, and Lee, who represents Berkeley, is perhaps the most leftist Democrat in congress. Besides her, most of the folks who might fit Rove's description are to the left of the Democratic party--Naderites, Greens (including Michael Moore, who is not a Democrat), etc..David Schraubhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04946653376744012423noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7321349.post-1119971181309912822005-06-28T08:06:00.000-07:002005-06-28T08:06:00.000-07:00David,The first comment on your provided link make...David,<BR/>The first comment on your provided link makes a valid point. How exactly <I>would</I> you have Mr Rove make a distinction between moderate Democrats and liberals besides without using the terms he did?Markhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10837999838469082203noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7321349.post-1119799319503192552005-06-26T08:21:00.000-07:002005-06-26T08:21:00.000-07:00See here.I recognize the distinction between "libe...<A HREF="http://www.redstate.org/story/2005/6/24/9118/22996" REL="nofollow">See here</A>.<BR/><BR/>I recognize the distinction between "liberal" and "democrat." It was very crafty of Rove. Since the majority of Americans will immediately superimpose "Democrat" over "liberal" the political impact still flies. But since he actually said "liberal" he can duck behind that to dodge responsibilty for his comments. But I think we all know what he means here--so I'm not biting.<BR/><BR/>Also, since Rove is the architect of the Republican shift away from Conservatism, if you will, I think its a bit rich of him to claim identification with, among other things, "smaller government."David Schraubhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04946653376744012423noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7321349.post-1119790217653279872005-06-26T05:50:00.000-07:002005-06-26T05:50:00.000-07:00You'll note that Rove is careful to say "Conservat...You'll note that Rove is careful to say "Conservatives" and "Liberals", which force your comments off point, when you point out that many Republican's in Congress (and perhaps the WH) don't support those things. That makes them not so Conservative.<BR/><BR/>And your point on Hillary makes his point as well, as commentators cite her as positioning herself more to the center on those issues, i.e., less liberal. <BR/><BR/>Your mistake is in equating (as Rove perhaps intended) Liberal=Democrat and Conservative=GOP.<BR/><BR/>So given that, what then is your beef with Rove's speech?Markhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10837999838469082203noreply@blogger.com