tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7321349.post116787961479536613..comments2024-03-18T22:21:33.261-07:00Comments on The Debate Link: Back OffDavid Schraubhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04946653376744012423noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7321349.post-1168021543853557532007-01-05T10:25:00.000-08:002007-01-05T10:25:00.000-08:00David,Then you're not actually confused about what...David,<BR/>Then you're not actually confused about what Judeo-Christian means for you'd be equally confused about what is meant by a Christian normative ethical standard. There is a wide range to the latter and I'd wager the set is little changed adding the former.<BR/><BR/>And if you don't think normative ethics and liturgical praxis are related, there I'd have to disagree.Markhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10837999838469082203noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7321349.post-1168008369405399352007-01-05T06:46:00.000-08:002007-01-05T06:46:00.000-08:00I too am confused by the whole JudeoChritian monik...I too am confused by the whole JudeoChritian moniker.Georgehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16141215252705338164noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7321349.post-1167988068997377722007-01-05T01:07:00.000-08:002007-01-05T01:07:00.000-08:00If anyone does win elective office and wants a cer...If anyone does win elective office and wants a ceremonial swearing in on a Jefferson Bible, I'm happy to loan my copy.<BR/><BR/>Personally I'd rather try to bring in all the books considered to be holy texts in Hinduism. I could stack them up on a little platform an inch off the floor, and they'd probably be higher than my head.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7321349.post-1167956723256160412007-01-04T16:25:00.000-08:002007-01-04T16:25:00.000-08:00I am "utterly confused" about what it means in thi...I am "utterly confused" about what it means in this context--when we're talking about normative ethics rather than liturgy. Nobody uses "Judeo-Christian" to talk about shared elements in services. They (Prager et al) use it to imply that their is some broader moral worldview the two share, which is highly misleading.David Schraubhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04946653376744012423noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7321349.post-1167951652097674112007-01-04T15:00:00.000-08:002007-01-04T15:00:00.000-08:00Ed,Can you substantiate your claim re usage of Jud...Ed,<BR/>Can you substantiate your claim re usage of Judeo-Christian primarily by "Jewish-wary conservative Christians" (Prager, I think is Jewish himself). <BR/><BR/><BR/>David,<BR/>You didn't say you that Prager "blithely" groups Jewish and Christians together, you said you "remain utterly confused" about what the term means. I question your confusion.<BR/><BR/>I didn't say Jewish (or Christian) theologians use the phrase, but that they share their research and research interests as well as almost certainly many probably publish their results in common journals. The existence of that shared heritage gives lie to a valid usage for the term. For another example both traditions draw from the same text, specifically the Psalmody in their worship liturgy. I challenge you to find such similar commonality in any of the other major religious liturgical practice.<BR/><BR/>It seems that while you concentrate on differences, which of course there are. If you spent some time considering commonality you'd find some there as well. What I don't get is why you feel a need to deny that part.Markhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10837999838469082203noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7321349.post-1167887856893240232007-01-03T21:17:00.000-08:002007-01-03T21:17:00.000-08:00Is there any record of a Congressman swearing on t...Is there any record of a Congressman swearing on the <A HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jefferson_Bible" REL="nofollow">Jefferson Bible</A>? Now that would be even more interesting.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7321349.post-1167885755268719532007-01-03T20:42:00.000-08:002007-01-03T20:42:00.000-08:00Mark: You know I think the gaps in philosophies an...Mark: You know I think the gaps in philosophies and theologies between Judaism and Christianity are too deep and numerous to blithely group them together in Prager's manner. (I do agree that Soviet Russia is viciously anti-Christian, but Prager specifically cited to its anti-Semitism, so I was responding to that).<BR/><BR/><BR/>Also, I think there is a bit too much history behind Christian dogma being used to utterly obliterate any semblance of recognizing the dignity of non-believers. I of course believe one can construct a coherent Christian theology that allows/demands respect for the other--but Muslims too also say that the Koran "insists on respect for others", and I'd make the same response.David Schraubhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04946653376744012423noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7321349.post-1167884236381806342007-01-03T20:17:00.000-08:002007-01-03T20:17:00.000-08:001. "Judeo-Christian" is a line used usually by co...1. "Judeo-Christian" is a line used usually by conservative, often Jewish-wary Christians. One will not find Jewish philosophers or theologians using the phrase. Nor almost any other Jew, for that matter.<BR/><BR/>2. To keep from losing our rights, we need to fight to defend them. Prager, on the other hand, urges that we vitiate the First Amendment. Vitiating the First Amendment to "protect our rights" is like copulating promiscuously to save virginity. <BR/><BR/>3. "Uniquely good?" No, we've failed spectacularly from time to time, and generally when we think we just about have it right we screw up and oppress some other group. But we do have an ideal, and we try to live up to it, from time to time. It's not that we have protected rights forever, but that we recognize that as a good, and work to do it, even when we fail.Ed Darrellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10056539160596825210noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7321349.post-1167883372612202872007-01-03T20:02:00.000-08:002007-01-03T20:02:00.000-08:00David,Two points.We've discussed what "Judeo-Chris...David,<BR/>Two points.<BR/><BR/>We've discussed what "Judeo-Christian" means in the past. It means that Jews and Christians share a significant measure of scriptural text (note below). That theological scholars (Christian Old Testament, jewish Torah, Tanakh et al) are interested in and can (and do) share research. That's all. What are you "confused" about or is that a just a rhetorical sally.<BR/><BR/>Soviet Russia wasn't just "viciously anti-semitic". It was viciously anti-Christian as well. <BR/><BR/>Oh. You've got that last bit hind-end foremost when you say, "<EM>It does suggest that when we let religious dogma overwhelm our respect for others,</EM>" (?!) ... Judeo-Christian <B>dogma</B> insists on respect for others (Judeo-Christian <B>is</B> the correct term because both trace that "dogma" to Leviticus). How can dogma "overwhelm" our respect for others when it demands it?Markhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10837999838469082203noreply@blogger.com