tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7321349.post1402210106574201529..comments2024-03-18T22:21:33.261-07:00Comments on The Debate Link: Simply SillyDavid Schraubhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04946653376744012423noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7321349.post-24686724421380260652009-01-13T15:15:00.000-08:002009-01-13T15:15:00.000-08:00Not sure how we maneuver to their political realit...Not sure how we maneuver to their political reality from the status quo without horrifying costs, don't find anarchism to be either particularly compelling or particularly realistic, not convinced that, <A HREF="http://dsadevil.blogspot.com/2009/01/quote-of-afternoon.html" REL="nofollow"> for the time being, anyway, Jewish liberation can be accomplished separate from nationalist</A> practice.David Schraubhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04946653376744012423noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7321349.post-3407579158273016602009-01-13T15:07:00.000-08:002009-01-13T15:07:00.000-08:00So what's loopy and silly about the AF's statement...So what's loopy and silly about the AF's statement exactly?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7321349.post-27843296981002745012009-01-12T17:14:00.000-08:002009-01-12T17:14:00.000-08:00Agreed with Jack, and I'd append the difference be...Agreed with Jack, and I'd append the difference between being anti-Zionist and wanting Israel not to exist as a nation-state in the future, and being anti-Zionist while resigning oneself to the status quo. <BR/><BR/>In 1948 but without later knowledge, I probably would have supported Israel's creation; in 1948 but with knowledge of the future, I might not have. The same is true of splitting India. In 2009, however, I have no interest in ending the existence of Israel, India, Pakistan or Bangladesh as the nation-states they presently are constituted to be.PGhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09381347581328622706noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7321349.post-24570357465662351782009-01-12T16:01:00.000-08:002009-01-12T16:01:00.000-08:00I'm with you that a lot of anti-Zionism is antisem...I'm with you that a lot of anti-Zionism is antisemitism but one could conceive of a middle ground thats neither picks out Israel is particular, nor opposes all nation-states. For example, one might oppose nation-states that are based on an ethnic identification which possesses land contested by other ethnic groups. Such situations are uniquely dangerous because they combine the potential for conflict (in the land dispute) and tend to have nationalistic undercurrents that fuel the fire of conflict. This criterion would incorporate Israel but plenty of other countries as well- much of south eastern Europe, Central Asia, parts of Africa, etc. I don't hold this position, but it seems both less crazy than anarchism and not antisemitic. No?Jackhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07617213327912889142noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7321349.post-41226489159872295892009-01-12T13:39:00.000-08:002009-01-12T13:39:00.000-08:00Meanwhile, on Lenin's tomb, Lenin shows that he ac...Meanwhile, on Lenin's tomb, Lenin shows that he actually has a sense of humor by posting a daily show clip that has Jon Stewart commenting on Gaza:http://leninology.blogspot.com/2009/01/jon-stewart-on-gaza.html<BR/><BR/>Unfortunately, not everyone appreciates the clip as shown in the comments since it doesn't conform to the view that Israel itself is a monster that must be destroyed. <BR/> Ironic that the blog has posted this: http://leninology.blogspot.com/2009/01/gaza-could-israel-lose.html<BR/>saying that 19% of Israels support the ground invasion and then this:<BR/><BR/>http://leninology.blogspot.com/2009/01/why-are-people-so-mean-to-poor-little.html<BR/><BR/>That said, I'm against Israel currently because they're starving and killing Palestine citizens just to get after Hamas.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com