tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7321349.post1821035055217684899..comments2024-03-18T22:21:33.261-07:00Comments on The Debate Link: A Rare, Coveted Debate Link Endorsement: Andy LevinDavid Schraubhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04946653376744012423noreply@blogger.comBlogger4125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7321349.post-56497148977881114282022-06-06T12:59:45.775-07:002022-06-06T12:59:45.775-07:00I'm not sure how much clearer " some Jews...I'm not sure how much clearer " some Jews ... have directly experienced violence, harassment, displacement, and even death ... under the auspices of the Palestinian flag" can be.<br /><br />But you should reflect on your initial instinct here. You saw someone criticize tearing down a Palestinian flag and instinctively cried "one-sided!" You didn't actually know it was one-sided; in fact, you now concede that it wasn't one-sided at all. So what does that say about the instinct? Had you read first one of my posts criticizing, e.g., the Chicago Dyke March banning the Jewish Pride flag, would you have yelled "one sided" because you hadn't yet seen me condemn instances where the Palestinian flag was torn down? No, you wouldn't have. So I would hope that you would reflect on what that initial instinct is actually saying and doing, because it emphatically <i>isn't</i> a dispassionate commitment to balanced and fair discourse.<br /><br />In this post, my point was to observe that Levin takes fire not because he's a one-sided anti-Israel critic, but because he's <i>actually</i> two-sided and a lot of folks who cry about "one-sided" actually just instinctively revolt against any discourse that suggests the Palestinian side is part of the story. This was a sterling illustration. (Quoth Harry Truman: "I never gave anybody hell! I just told the truth and they thought it was hell.")David Schraubhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04946653376744012423noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7321349.post-54018029803154461692022-06-06T10:00:08.109-07:002022-06-06T10:00:08.109-07:00First, thank you for that link. You raise importan...First, thank you for that link. You raise important points there.<br />And you clearly show empathy to both sides. Along with criticism.<br />However, as an Israeli, I am uncomfortable that you haven't mention the fact that Israelis associate the Palestinian flag with attacks on them, as civilians. <br />Again, thank you for the link. I value your opinion, and your input on issues. Dvar Deahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03977339121006991498noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7321349.post-70322990707070631502022-06-05T11:12:13.873-07:002022-06-05T11:12:13.873-07:00The fact that you haven't read the instances w...The fact that you haven't read the instances where I've condemned pro-Palestinian attacks on Jewish and/or Zionist identified flags is more of a you problem than a me problem. <a href="https://dsadevil.blogspot.com/2019/06/the-constructed-semiotics-of-flags.html" rel="nofollow">I've staked out a perfectly consistent position on this issue.</a>David Schraubhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04946653376744012423noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7321349.post-3914323662502538402022-06-05T08:38:02.966-07:002022-06-05T08:38:02.966-07:00You talk about one-sidedness?
What about you? You...You talk about one-sidedness? <br />What about you? You retweeted Edo Konard's post about the removal of the Palestinian flag from a building in Ramat Gan. With no reference to decades of burning, tearing, and forbidding the showing of Israeli flag by Palestinian and pro-Palestinian activists.<br />I'm sure that there are those with genuine one-sided policies and intentions on both sides. But sometimes it is a hole easy to fall to. Dvar Deahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03977339121006991498noreply@blogger.com