Thursday, May 14, 2009

Stay in Place

The comments to the post I flagged earlier this week are one of the clearest examples of what happens when Jews refuse to take a subservient position before their Christian fellows. For noting that the Catholic Church hardly has clean hands with regards to the Holocaust (particularly from its source as a wellspring of European anti-Semitism for literally millennia), I'm told that the Jews should apologize for communism and (obviously) for killing Christ. It's amazing just how shallow the old views lie buried.

Christians today respect Jews precisely as far as they have in the past: namely, they respect Jews who don't assert any Jewishness. In the past, we had to convert. Today, we simply have to shut up and not assert any theological or social autonomy. The minute Jews try and resist bogus "Judeo-Christian" claims made in our name, or imply that Christian practice might not actually be religion perfected (particularly in how it treats Jews), or note our own experiences being oppressed and persecuted by Christians, all that talk of fellowship flies out the window. There is never -- never -- any acknowledgment that there might a problem on their end. It's always Jewish something -- neurosis, obstinacy, stubbornness, bloodlust, avarice, whatever the slur d'jour -- that is to blame. Jews have no active role in this worldview.

As far as I can see it, the relationship the Christian community (left and right) wants with the Jews is completely hierarchical. They are the enlightened, and we are the damned; they are the teachers, and we are the pupils; they are master, and we are the servant. I'd say it has to change if there is to be any improvement in Jewish-Christian relations. But honestly, I don't see any impetus for Christians to change the ways -- they've shown no inclination that they think the current state of affairs is remotely problematic, and when Jews try to raise their voices to speak out, we're ignored, shunned, or labeled the problem.

It's moments like this when I get full-on separatist. There is simply no indication that Christians feel like listening, learning, or stepping back from the unbelievable arrogance which has characterized their relationship with Jews for centuries. There are individuals who have broken from the mold, and I salute them, but they're few and far between, and might as well be completely absent against the broader backdrop of the Christian community, which continues to organize itself in a fundamentally anti-Semitic, imperialistic fashion. Well forget that. If they feel like having a conversation as equals, they know where to find me. In the meantime, they can know that as far as I'm concerned, they're implicated in an anti-Semitic agenda top to bottom.

11 comments:

Anonymous said...

People think Jews in the old days had it tough. All they had to deal with was being Christ-killers and baby-eaters. Now we've apparently still got both of those, plus being evil capitalist overlords and evil communist plotters. How can we keep up all the blood-drinking while still secretly dominating the world through diametrically opposed ideologies? It just gets my horns all in a bunch.

-Ivan

PG said...

But the HinJew alliance is still cool, right?

David Schraub said...

HinJew and ChinJew. You got numbers, we got money -- no power in the 'verse can stop us.

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Patton said...

Can I take a moment to say...I'm not like those pricks?

chingona said...

I do wonder what Lenin would make of the idea that Judaism or Jews are responsible for Bolshevism. Probably ... not much.

chingona said...

Your Google ad right now is for Christian tours of Israel.

David Schraub said...

Well then allow me to say....

Eric Massengill said...

@Chingona:

The funny thing is, Christian subjugation of Jews is probably more responsible for some of Marx's views than Judaism itself ever was. In some ways Marx saw the whole conflict between Christians and Jews as more of an outgrowth of religion than anything else. He resented Jews for continuing to classify themselves as anything but human, and resented Christianity for somehow inciting antisemitism. That of course isn't the whole reason, but the point is he perceived antisemitism as being fueled in part by the cultural differences created between Jews and Gentiles by religious affiliation and practice, and so it fueled his militant atheism. (I guess he felt that if people could throw aside labels and "superfluous" cultural practices, everyone could live easier together.)

So antisemitic Christians are more responsible for socialism than Jews were, in a way.

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